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macbel 38F
229 posts
8/25/2006 12:28 am

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Conflict in the Middle East: More Signs of the End Times?

Explosive tension in the Middle East is fueling speculation throughout the media and political world that perhaps we are living in what the Bible calls the last days. Are we approaching the return of Jesus Christ?

When we read the list of events Jesus tells His disciples in Matthew 24 and Luke 21 to be watching for, we can see each of them coming to pass: wars and rumors of wars, revolutions, the rise of false messiahs, earthquakes, famines, persecution of the believers, the spread of the gospel around the world, the rebirth of the State of Israel, Jerusalem back under Jewish control, and Jews preparing to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem.

Jesus wants us to know the season of His return, and He is quite clear: "When you see all these things, recognize that My return is near, that I'm right at the door." (see Matthew 24:33)

Based on current tensions, here are three End Times Biblical prophecies worth watching for:
1. Apocalyptic battles for control of Jerusalem: Next year will mark the 40th anniversary of the Six Day War and Israel's reunification of Jerusalem under Jewish control. Numerous radical Islamic leaders have vowed to "liberate" Jerusalem and liquidate the Jews. Among them: Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the leaders of Hamas, and Osama bin Laden, to name just a few.
2. The war in the Middle East is merely the opening skirmish in a new bid for Islamic control of the Holy City. This is in keeping with the Hebrew prophets who warned that the violent struggle for Jerusalem would continue until the physical return of Jesus to the earth.
3. The Prophet Ezekiel, for example, foresaw a multinational force led by Russia and Iran will seek to capture Israel and Jerusalem (the "War of Gog and Magog," see Ezekiel 38-39)..."



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alvin84 39M
910 posts
8/25/2006 12:55 pm

We cannot disregard the biblical importance of Israel ... it exists so that the prophecy may be fulfilled. What is written is what will be done ... "So it is written, and so it shall be done."


alvin84 39M
910 posts
8/25/2006 12:56 pm

No one knows if the end of times is near. What we know is that it may come at any time like a thief in the night and we have to be ready for that coming.


soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:00 pm

    Quoting alvin84:
    We cannot disregard the biblical importance of Israel ... it exists so that the prophecy may be fulfilled. What is written is what will be done ... "So it is written, and so it shall be done."
I agree with you Alvin, God keeps His word. But there is also another side of the coin that we should see.

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:01 pm

    Quoting alvin84:
    No one knows if the end of times is near. What we know is that it may come at any time like a thief in the night and we have to be ready for that coming.
Many modern day evangelists would say that all these series of events point to one thing. The end is near and we should repent.

Everybody needs a hand 2hold,its a long trip alone


soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:04 pm

    Quoting alvin84:
    No one knows if the end of times is near. What we know is that it may come at any time like a thief in the night and we have to be ready for that coming.
Let me share an article written by Joostein Gaarders re Israel. It is beautiful and I guess a well-balanced view of the present day crises in the mid-east.

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:07 pm

God's Chosen People

Jostein Gaarder, Aftenposten

There is no turning back. It is time to learn a new lesson: We do no longer recognize the state of Israel. We could not recognize the South African apartheid regime, nor did we recognize the Afghan Taliban regime. Then there were many who did not recognize Saddam Hussein's Iraq or the Serbs' ethnic cleansing. We must now get used to the idea: The state of Israel in its current form is history.

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:08 pm

    Quoting soan:
    God's Chosen People

    Jostein Gaarder, Aftenposten

    There is no turning back. It is time to learn a new lesson: We do no longer recognize the state of Israel. We could not recognize the South African apartheid regime, nor did we recognize the Afghan Taliban regime. Then there were many who did not recognize Saddam Hussein's Iraq or the Serbs' ethnic cleansing. We must now get used to the idea: The state of Israel in its current form is history.
We do not believe in the notion of God's chosen people. We laugh at this people's fancies and weep over its misdeeds. To act as God's chosen people is not only stupid and arrogant, but a crime against humanity. We call it racism.

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:10 pm

    Quoting soan:
    God's Chosen People

    Jostein Gaarder, Aftenposten

    There is no turning back. It is time to learn a new lesson: We do no longer recognize the state of Israel. We could not recognize the South African apartheid regime, nor did we recognize the Afghan Taliban regime. Then there were many who did not recognize Saddam Hussein's Iraq or the Serbs' ethnic cleansing. We must now get used to the idea: The state of Israel in its current form is history.
Limits to Tolerance

There are limits to our patience, and there are limits to our tolerance. We do not believe in divine promises as justification for occupation and apartheid. We have left the Middle Ages behind. We laugh uneasily at those who still believe that the God of flora, fauna, and galaxies has selected one people in particular as his favorite and given it funny stone tablets, burning bushes, and a license to kill.

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:11 pm

    Quoting soan:
    God's Chosen People

    Jostein Gaarder, Aftenposten

    There is no turning back. It is time to learn a new lesson: We do no longer recognize the state of Israel. We could not recognize the South African apartheid regime, nor did we recognize the Afghan Taliban regime. Then there were many who did not recognize Saddam Hussein's Iraq or the Serbs' ethnic cleansing. We must now get used to the idea: The state of Israel in its current form is history.
We call child murderers 'child murderers' and will never accept that such have a divine or historic mandate excusing their outrages. We say but this: Shame on all apartheid, shame on ethnic cleansing, shame on every terrorist strike against civilians, be it carried out by Hamas, Hizballah, or the state of Israel!

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:12 pm

    Quoting soan:
    God's Chosen People

    Jostein Gaarder, Aftenposten

    There is no turning back. It is time to learn a new lesson: We do no longer recognize the state of Israel. We could not recognize the South African apartheid regime, nor did we recognize the Afghan Taliban regime. Then there were many who did not recognize Saddam Hussein's Iraq or the Serbs' ethnic cleansing. We must now get used to the idea: The state of Israel in its current form is history.
Unscrupulous Art of War

We acknowledge and pay heed to Europe's deep responsibility for the plight of the Jews, for the disgraceful harassment, the pogroms, and the Holocaust. It was historically and morally necessary for Jews to get their own home. However, the state of Israel, with its unscrupulous art of war and its disgusting weapons, has massacred its own legitimacy

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:13 pm

    Quoting soan:
    God's Chosen People

    Jostein Gaarder, Aftenposten

    There is no turning back. It is time to learn a new lesson: We do no longer recognize the state of Israel. We could not recognize the South African apartheid regime, nor did we recognize the Afghan Taliban regime. Then there were many who did not recognize Saddam Hussein's Iraq or the Serbs' ethnic cleansing. We must now get used to the idea: The state of Israel in its current form is history.
It has systematically flouted International Law, international conventions, and countless UN resolutions, and it can no longer expect protection from same. It has carpet bombed the recognition of the world. But fear not! The time of trouble shall soon be over. The state of Israel has seen its Soweto.

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:14 pm

    Quoting soan:
    God's Chosen People

    Jostein Gaarder, Aftenposten

    There is no turning back. It is time to learn a new lesson: We do no longer recognize the state of Israel. We could not recognize the South African apartheid regime, nor did we recognize the Afghan Taliban regime. Then there were many who did not recognize Saddam Hussein's Iraq or the Serbs' ethnic cleansing. We must now get used to the idea: The state of Israel in its current form is history.
We are now at the watershed. There is no turning back. The state of Israel has the recognition of the world and shall have no peace until it lays down its arms.

Everybody needs a hand 2hold,its a long trip alone


soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:15 pm

    Quoting soan:
    God's Chosen People

    Jostein Gaarder, Aftenposten

    There is no turning back. It is time to learn a new lesson: We do no longer recognize the state of Israel. We could not recognize the South African apartheid regime, nor did we recognize the Afghan Taliban regime. Then there were many who did not recognize Saddam Hussein's Iraq or the Serbs' ethnic cleansing. We must now get used to the idea: The state of Israel in its current form is history.
Without Defense, Without Skin

May spirit and word sweep away the apartheid walls of Israel. The state of Israel does not exist. It is now without defense, without skin. May the world therefore have mercy on the civilian population. For it is not civilian individuals at whom our doomsaying is directed.

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:16 pm

    Quoting soan:
    God's Chosen People

    Jostein Gaarder, Aftenposten

    There is no turning back. It is time to learn a new lesson: We do no longer recognize the state of Israel. We could not recognize the South African apartheid regime, nor did we recognize the Afghan Taliban regime. Then there were many who did not recognize Saddam Hussein's Iraq or the Serbs' ethnic cleansing. We must now get used to the idea: The state of Israel in its current form is history.
We wish the people of Israel well, nothing but well, but we reserve the right not to eat Jaffa oranges as long as they taste foul and are poisonous. It was endurable to live some years without the blue grapes of apartheid.

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:18 pm

    Quoting soan:
    God's Chosen People

    Jostein Gaarder, Aftenposten

    There is no turning back. It is time to learn a new lesson: We do no longer recognize the state of Israel. We could not recognize the South African apartheid regime, nor did we recognize the Afghan Taliban regime. Then there were many who did not recognize Saddam Hussein's Iraq or the Serbs' ethnic cleansing. We must now get used to the idea: The state of Israel in its current form is history.
They Celebrate Their Triumphs

We do not believe that Israel mourns forty killed Lebanese children more than it for over three thousand years has lamented forty years in the desert. We note that many Israelis celebrate such triumphs like they once cheered the scourges of the Lord as "fitting punishment" for the people of Egypt. (In that tale, the Lord, God of Israel, appears as an insatiable sadist.) We query whether most Israelis think that one Israeli life is worth more than forty Palestinian or Lebanese lives.

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:19 pm

For we have seen pictures of little Israeli girls writing hateful greetings on the bombs to be dropped on the civilian population of Lebanon and Palestine. Little Israeli girls are not cute when they strut with glee at death and torment across the fronts.

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:20 pm

The Retribution of Blood Vengeance

We do not recognize the rhetoric of the state of Israel. We do not recognize the spiral of retribution of the blood vengeance with "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." We do not recognize the principle of one or a thousand Arab eyes for one Israeli eye.

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:21 pm

We do not recognize collective punishment or population-wide diets as political weapons. Two thousand years have passed since a Jewish rabbi criticized the ancient doctrine of "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth."

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:22 pm

He said: "Do to others as you would have them do to you." We do not recognize a state founded on antihumanistic principles and on the ruins of an archaic national and war religion. Or as Albert Schweitzer expressed it: "Humanitarianism consists in never sacrificing a human being to a purpose."

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:23 pm

Compassion and Forgiveness

We do not recognize the old Kingdom of David as a model for the 21st century map of the Middle East. The Jewish rabbi claimed two thousand years ago that the Kingdom of God is not a martial restoration of the Kingdom of David, but that the Kingdom of God is within us and among us. The Kingdom of God is compassion and forgiveness.

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:26 pm

Two thousand years have passed since the Jewish rabbi disarmed and humanized the old rhetoric of war. Even in his time, the first Zionist terrorists were operating

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:27 pm

Israel Does Not Listen

For two thousand years, we have rehearsed the syllabus of humanism, but Israel does not listen. It was not the Pharisee that helped the man who lay by the wayside, having fallen prey to robbers. It was a Samaritan; today we would say, a Palestinian.

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:28 pm

For we are human first of all -- then Christian, Muslim, or Jewish. Or as the Jewish rabbi said: "And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others?" We do not accept the abduction of soldiers. But nor do we accept the deportation of whole populations or the abduction of legally elected parliamentarians and government ministers.

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:29 pm

We recognize the state of Israel of 1948, but not the one of 1967. It is the state of Israel that fails to recognize, respect, or defer to the internationally lawful Israeli state of 1948. Israel wants more; more water and more villages.

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soan 45F
457 posts
8/25/2006 3:30 pm

To obtain this, there are those who want, with God's assistance, a final solution to the Palestinian problem. The Palestinians have so many other countries, certain Israeli politicians have argued; we have only one.

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